The post has since been deleted from Furtick's social media channels. The Son went back to the Father, and they both sent the Holy Spirit to dwell in each believer. There are a number of very serious problems with Furticks teaching on this. What God did when he sent his son [he] broke the Law for love. The idea is that love is greater than the Law. You and I both know that we dont save ourselves, yet many persist in the false notion that its our faith-filled words that save us. Id like to ask you some very direct questions, and hope that youll be straightforward in your answer: Do you consider Steven Furtick a false teacher, or not? They represent the consensus view of all of Scripture, old and new. The services or what they call experiences being like a rock concert as apposed to a respectable and honorable way to come to God and worship. The Father sends the Holy Spirit after Jesus goes back to Him, and so on. Why did he always defer to the Father, and not himself? It literally means He came out from my inside the Father. Here are a few: There are TONS of verses to choose from. This belief talks about the nature of God. Do you believe that God is a molecular structure? Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you, And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith. Picked an orange inverted-V as Elevations logo. The misconception I encounter is that His fulfillment of the law means it no longer applies. This is false and ridiculous. Sure, Ballard Christian. "God began to fill me with this anticipation that I had a destiny and a calling," he said. Jude gives us the definition of apostasy with examples, so we have the necessary information to discern between the example of Pauls ministry and those examples presented by Jude. This is pretty basic, and every Word of Faith teacher including Steven Furtick does it. I wouldnt suggest that one add up the number of doctrinal errors to determine whether someone is a false teacher. First, what looks like a blessing may simply be something we like not something God has done to bless us. To God? We shouldnt reject our weaker brothers and sisters but we shouldnt join them in their weaker faith, either. Although the Babylon Bee is open about its satirical nature, some jokes about nuanced aspects of Christian culture go over readers' heads. Along those lines, a lack of faith is a spiritual limitation. The context here makes it clear that Jesus was referring to the prophecies in Revelation. Steven Furtick is a very popular speaker. Lets pretend that healing belongs to us in Christ Jesus. What should we conclude about the apostle Paul? I am sick on my stomach and disgusted by your interpretation or misinterpretation of Gods chosen disciple. Does he teach the importance of obedience, Does he teach how important it is to get sin out of your life, Does he teach you how to build a close personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Why is that? I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may knowthat there is no one likeme in all the earth. So no, a christian has not power over God, but rather through Gods power we can do exploits, as in Daniel 11:32 the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. Oh, you say thats for the old testament saints? Give him time to think about what hes telling you, to review it in his mind. Can He be contained in anything? For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. All I did was point out the fact that you were repeating false teaching, which is OF COURSE irresponsible. (Furticks church, Elevation, is Southern Baptist. If youd like to address the idea that God is or is not omnipotent, go ahead. The Scriptures are enough. I also appreciate you taking the time to comment, and to try to be helpful to Kathleen. I know that his command leads to eternal life. We dont really have a way to accurately compare it to anything, and comparing is one of the key ways we understand anything. Partly cloudy. Its all over the Gospels, for God is no respecter of persons Acts 10:34, as He only respects faith, Matthew 9:29. Nevertheless, I think it is an attitude that should be addressed. Lets all open our Bibles and compare what we believe with what God has said, and adjust our beliefs accordingly. Im curious as to who you are. You are not the hero of every Bible story. Steven Furtick Jr. is an American Baptist evangelical Christian pastor and songwriter of Elevation Worship. (This collection of 100 awakened leaders who are using their voices and talent to elevate humanity also included Bishop T.D. You can also subscribe without commenting. As for telling Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach, you took that out of important context of which indicates the reason for the admonition, Drink no longer water, which was the source of his problem. Will you do yours? Do you know what his conclusion was? Gamaliel didnt know whether this new sect of Jesus-followers was from God or not. Any personal information you entrust to Steven Furtick Ministries, such as name, address, and . This is false. When He prayed that we all may be one as He and the Father are one, He clearly wasnt suggesting anything like circumincessionism. Sure, if a false teacher is someone who says false things, but on this scripture we are discussing Matthew 13:58, I will stand with collaborating scripture I have shared and with Matthew Henry, and with Furtick, if need be. Being made in Gods image does not mean that we share all of His attributes. Typically, oneness folks will cut and run when asked to defend their view. I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. Steven Furtick has an estimated nt wrth f $55 mlln as of 2021. "They really are the major show in town for (those) 20 to 32," the Rev. without the shedding of blood, there is no remission ( forgiveness, Hebrews 9:22). You are judging this man and putting your spin on what he is saying. Fried chicken, cornbread and cake what brings you back to this Charlotte restaurant. Thanks for your comment. In the end, you should be praying for your father and listening to the Holy Spirit. If Steven Furtick IS a false teacher, it would be irresponsible to ignore the evidence. When good teachers do it, its irresponsible. They did bad things, and no amount of awesomeness in the lives of their children can turn their crimes into blessings. Were he to address the issue and clarify that hes biblically trinitarian and not a modalist in any sense, we would all be sure of what he means. As always, Scripture should be our guide. In my experience, people who are willing to be led by the Holy Spirit into a clear understanding of Scripture will change their minds easily. While this, by itself, is not necessary heretical, its silly. God does respond to our faith. The same goes for non-Christian teachings from Word of Faith folks and NAR folks. Jesus death provided for our healing, except for Paul and Timothy and, of course, every Christian who ever died. When I spoke of the Great Commission, he was confused. Steven Furtick is a pastor, Grammy-award winning songwriter, and producer, & New York Times best-selling author. You will RECEIVE salvation (passive voice). This unbiblical idea is that humans are not only somewhat like God, but that we are duplicates or copies of Him. Making the claim as if its self-evidently true is a mistake, and not how we should handle Scripture. Im often asked to assess what others teach. Furtick is the founder and senior pastor of Elevation Church, based in Charlotte. So, to recap what you said; While its true that our faith can prompt God to act, our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to. I think its important, on several levels. Why would the gospel of John say And the Word was with God, and the Word was God ? In this case, its that Jesus isnt God, and isnt one with the Father, but that Hes the first being that God created. Learn a little Greek. Gavin Newsom in 2019 that temporarily lifted the statute of limitations regarding child sexual abuse lawsuits. Does that make sense? If the truth matters, then repeating the errors of others is also a problem. The Trinity of God is like man being a spirit having a soul and living in body. Named . And when you get born again youve got that resurrection power but then youve gotta get that soul in agreement to where it sees it. It simply explains the nature of ritual purity. Id probably really like him. If Im wrong, show me. When you find where God wants you, it will be satisfying and rewarding and frustrating and youll need patience and grace and perseverance because the church is filled with broken people who are in the middle of being put back together. As for this modalism, that claims the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one person and not distinct persons, yet Scripture clearly teaches that Jesus is the mediator between God and man (1 Tim 2:5), so he exist separate from God the Father, being God the Son. May I share a harsh scripture that not only you, but all of us, may need to consider, Acts 5:38,39. I appreciate your input: too many simply condemn people for being unbiblical, or heretical, without actually pointing to what they teach. There is no other God beside Him. Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. Photo courtesy: Jackoo012345/Creative Commons, cropped and resized to 1200x627 Video courtesy: Elevation Church As he says of lack of faith; So that if mighty works be not wrought in us, it is not for want of power or grace in Christ, but for want of faith in us God bless and give you discernment. Furtick, Steven (2017). He was able to. Contrary to what they teach, the Bible clearly teaches there is nothing that prevents God from doing what He wants to do. Neither is God limited to 3 dimensions as we are, but exists in such a way that the past, present and future are observed simultaneously. This is what happens when we put ourselves into the text. For God so loved the Brits that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. >> God only has One intelligence, and that intelligence is HIMSELF. He did not pursue what was gain to him and he left the benefits of his heritage and education behind in order to know the Lord and the power of His resurrection, to be made conformable to His death. Im not sure I trust myself to draw that line about people Ive never met. You inspire me to work harder to be encouraging, so youre awesome. Unfortunately, thats where it ends. I have confidence that it happens all the time, all around the world. Jesus did not do miracles because performing them would have been against His purpose to judge those who were unwilling to believe. Increasingly, these young "Elevators" are bringing their curious parents. As soon as I started explaining why we should consider people like Steven Furtick to be false teachers, my traffic DOUBLED. Steven Furtick, the founder and senior pastor of Southern Baptist Church (SBC) Elevation Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, has drawn theological criticism for statements he made in a recent Facebook post. I want you to know the Scriptures. Heres what we know from the passage itself, from history, and simple logic: Because Revelation is usually the last book in the compilation of books we call the New Testament, we have a natural tendency to see it as the summation of what came before. Jesus is the Word of God, (logos, the intelligence of God expressed in words) made flesh. If Furtick is right, then the Law was ignored in favor of love and so Jesus did not take our place. Modalism is the unbiblical idea that there is one God who is only one person and that when we see the Father, Son, and Spirit, we are seeing three different manifestations of the same single person. This is an ancient heresy that has been condemned throughout church history. The miracles of Jesus bore witness to His identity as the Son of God, but the people in Nazareth had rejected Him. The word in Romans 10:9 thats translated you will be saved is a verb. Wommack, as you point out, teaches that we can limit God. And . As for, Do you, in any sense, have power over God? Paul said he was not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: Notice the connection between Power and faith I would never ask you to take my word for anything I simply want to point you to the Scriptures. I dont think so, and Ill bet that you dont really think so, either. Paul wanted to be healed, but lacked sufficient faith. He wished he had known about that before but, because his denomination only uses the KJV, he had no idea. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.. The commenting system only goes so deep, then you cant add another level of replies. Its not always wrong or bad, but its a good way to run into trouble. I have nothing personal against him, and I dont know whether hes saved. I said you were BEING irresponsible. 1. As this power mentioned in John 1:12 is the same power here in Luke 8:45-48 that is able to save, heal, and deliver. Having described the failure of the people in Nazareth to believe Jesus despite their knowledge of His wisdom and power, Mark explains that our Lord could do no mighty work there except to heal a few people (Mark 6:5). Like you, I think we should be careful about making accusations. First, we know that there is only one God. Then in John 1:12 this power is received by faith, then in Ephesians 3:7 this gift of grace is through working of his power. Theyre very explanatory. The thief on the cross was a special case. Moses said to God, Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they ask me, What is his name?Then what shall I tell them?, God said to Moses, I am who I am. Encouraged by his wife, Holly, he decided to make his move. Dont bother telling me how this person or that person helped you. I recently worked with a retired pastor, and our topic was discipleship. This guy who is spending all this time with only one side of view is not write you may want to get your self out of the way and let go and let God . He gained popularity in 2006 when his church gave $40,000 to members in envelopes with $5, $20, and even $1,000, telling them to spend it kindly on others. What you need is what we all need: to see people actually following Jesus closely. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. This is false. It might be that the only real problem is that hes watching while young and impressionable children are around and that he just hasnt thought about that. Where in the Bible does it say that no one but God has the right to judge anyone? In this specific conversation, the question is whether Jesus COULD HAVE performed more miracles in Nazareth, or COULD NOT HAVE. We want to think clearly about these questions, of course. When people teach things that contradict Scripture, thats bad right? Itll only take a moment: why was Paul never healed? I have 1 simple question, 1st question for now what is the 1 and only way to heaven? Look at His actual words, in John 12: For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. If he really is biblically trinitarian, he should know better than to explain anything about the trinity that could be misconstrued as Sabellianism. Thats bad. Do you see it? His reason? Lets be clear: this isnt the same as a Christian going on a non-Christians show, or the same as an orthodox Christian going on TBN and challenging their false beliefs. Theres nothing left for Him to do. But he went, and met Jody Jennings. Yes, breaking the law was a big deal and He did not break the law for love, but rather fulfilled the law to show love, to us who have. Go back to Genesis and see that God created Adam out of the earth, and breathed into him, and he became a living soul. My children hear them and see them and agree sometimes and dont see the pitfalls. Doctrinally, its immensely problematic to suggest that Gods ability to do ANYTHING is limited by ANYONE or ANYTHING. Thats the issue as far as I am concerned. But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. I dont want to write about false teachers, my friend. Jakes, author Deepak Chopra, rapper and film producer Common, and Hamilton creator Lin-Manuel Miranda. Then you will be able to test and approve what Gods will ishis good, pleasing and perfect will. Steven Furtick is a pastor, Grammy-award winning songwriter, and producer, & New York Times best-selling author. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Like blind Bartimaeus, who asked Jesus to have mercy on him Mark 10:46-52 and Jesus asked; What do you want Me to do for you? This is in line with a common teaching in the Word of Faith movement: that our faith only manifests what is already true in the spiritual realm. You make several good points in this response but one that Id like to expand on: b) ignorant of how God has blessed his church. Thanks. Even Jesus cannot override your unbelief. Bottom line, Jesus was not pleased, and was unable to do many miracles there because of their disbelief. Word On The Street: Community weighs in on Governor Newsom's death penalty executive order. Take Elevation's recent goal of 1,000 "spontaneous baptisms" the kind people don't know they're going to get when they show up for church in their street clothes. When we elevate (no pun intended) a teacher, preacher, leader, musician or band, were recommending them to people. Instead, its modalism: the unbiblical idea that God is ONE person that appears to us in different modes, or manifestations. He said if you listen to the Word and dont do it, youre like a man who looks at himself in a mirror in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God my Maker is my mirror. =). The son is NOT the Father, nor is He the Spirit. This is wrong, per Romans 14 and I would suggest that its often actually sin. ), 4. Have a great day! It shows that youre hungry for the true things of God, that you really want to see Gods people living like Gods people, that you feel anxiety over how many lost people are being led farther astray. The context doesnt suggest that God lost any ability due to Israels actions the context tells us that God responded as He said He would. I hope you wont just take my word for any of this, but will continue to search the Scriptures and make sure that what youre hearing matches what God has already said. This is serious business. The power of God was in Nazareth, but it was trapped in their perspective. So He made man, and wo-man, to reflect who He was. Iron does indeed sharpen iron and some friction is a necessary part of that process. We would be saying what Scripture itself does not say, and we should avoid that. With respect, I dont really care if you feel things are unequal between me and those who comment on my website. Right, John 5 speaks to Jesus ministry, doing his Father work verse 17, again in Acts 10:38, going about healing all who were oppressed of the devil . What is wrong with saying; the power is in us, that we are the ones who determine whether were healed, and that God has already provided healing for all believers but we have to manifest it by faith? Theres nothing wrong with that. We agree: everybody should be able to sieve what were told. I mean plainly and obviously do you believe that God is ever POWERLESS to do what He wants in any given situation because your decision RENDERS Him powerless? how can God be three persons and yet one?"' The passage says nothing about it, but we might imagine it anyway. Third: what is this scroll? One would assume that this kind of education might help him avoid really dumb theological ideas, but that assumption is flawed. As you say and as Ive written here false teachers also teach many true things. Wouldnt it be terrible if we spared each other the truth, and allowed our brother or sister to miss out on heaven? I see that you dont write to condemn him, but to objectively note his errors. The idea of Trinity is a theological one. Second, Jesus did not set the Law aside, and He did not break the Law. Finally: we who follow Jesus should not consider false teachers our enemies. God's Got Your Back Part 2. 14), some have weaker faith and some stronger. 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