PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT & decision making! Once you're done watching YouTube videos, come back when you have more real world experience. BUT, I have read that bear attacks are usually a big surprise to both the hiker and the bear, who have both been startled by each other's company. 9mm &357 same caliber but 357 alot more propellant. I agree with the .45 recoil being overblown. My own belief is that in most cases, people will over-carry for the sake of extra confidence. I own both, a Colt Combat Commander .45 and a Glock compact 9mm. Those are the only advantages. But no more. One shot one kill at 30. However, that damage is effectively wasted since the cartridges were designed so that they worked as ball ammo. Practice both bullseye and tactical shooting skills. Would I even ever use it? "the 9mm has evolved to the current power of the 45 acp" as if there have been no developments in the 45 acp and the 45 acp has stood still. Left out (one) seemingly small but (very) important step when take action time arrives. Once you're done with your YouTube videos, come back when you get some real world experience with that one 9mm you've taken to the range once. To think you need 15+1 is just imo foolish. I'd rather have a .22 short revo than just my index finger. The cartridge is, without a doubt, the most . TL after me had 116 CQK, and TL after him had over 40 (and a posthumous MOH). That being said .45 with light for home defence and .380 hp for concealed carry. Firing the 9mm at the range was fun, then I fired the .45had to peel the smile off of my face. 9mm defensive brings it on par with 45acp and 40s&w ball - and that is what it needed to meet for it to outperform them since you also get the gains of capacity, less recoil, cheaper, and easier to train with. So, if you consider 10 rounds of 45ACP sufficient, then, definitely, the choice would be the Glock 30. If I am passing through Welfareville and Methport on my way to the Promised Land, My TP 9 with 5 extra loaded 17 round magazines of 115 grain JHP will be with me. disagree with your conceal ability statement, sorry. I keep my 870 close by for those rats that might want to drop by uninvited Hello everyone, Less recoil , good penetration, good follow up for stopping a robber etc. It comes from the shooter. 45 loses in every category except possibly suppression and shallow penetration, if you want to call that a pro. (Adding my own word here: in other words, once a bullet hits the nearly 2000 FPS mark, temporary wound cavity matters) Go to a range and rent some guns until you find one that you can shoot well. In .45 acp, with 230 grain target rounds we started shooting the same targets we shot with the 9mm and 38 spl, well guess what They hardly hit that number. I had thousands .45 230 grains hardball and some +Ps hallow points with my standard 1911 when I tested my friend's full size 9mm. OTOH their .45 testing showed a much higher max muzzle energy with a number of rounds considerably over 600 ft lb, and had far more rounds (23 rounds) coming in over 500 ft lb. I have many .45 and 9mm. Threat is neutralized. Your personal guarantee is meaningless. Gun laws are different in different states. Momentum is what gives more knock down power. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. My military friends please chime in. I have been shot at a couple more times, they missed. People tend to practice more with a weapon they are comfortable with. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjW3I71693mAhVGZM0KHXzxCngQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw10DVrk4SswQsgAgCh-Cf28 real world testing and experience trumps skewed charts charts and shooting blocks of jello which are nothing more than a STARTING POINT to give you an idea what a cartridge MAY BE capable of in a REAL WORLD situation. I do take into consideration penetration behind what I am aiming at with the 9mm because of over penetration, but you must ALWAYS be aware of what is behind the perp. The muzzle is the end of a gun's barrel. They needed a standard that could be applied to everyone - not what was best per person. Lots of experts claiming facts on stopping power, energy, penetration, etc. As you can see, there is a huge difference in bullet velocities from caliber to caliber. Actually, the US & the West generally helped the Russians defeat Germany. I read most of the posts that preceded mine. Over 100 years of testing and iteration have produced some very powerful .45 ACP ammo. Our Friends Sit down, you sound dumb. Then you said because of bullet technology, the .45acp has also improved. My favorite round is a sig 200 g. I tested this as a defense round and appreciated the impact force on soft targets. Thats where the .357 SIG comes into play. Thanks for your opinion, its valid. Muzzle velocity is key. No, it's just wrong to tell half-truths & mythologize recent historical events. I want harm for nobody, and especially me and mine, too. I should know because I get all the girls. However, theres always something to be said for having really big bullets ready to deal with really big problems. Of course, 10mm which has less mass than .45 ACP still has more energy than the other calibers because its a relatively fast bullet and it's heavy, but it's not as fast as .357 SIG but it penetrates significantly more. I also like the .38 special. 9mm is the solution. They are not an ideal carry gun, howyever. If the wound channel is indeed the same, then the 45 is the inferior round in all regards except home defense. But in my earlier days, my Gunny (who had that little blue ribbon with the white stars) held up a 1911 in front of we impressionable middies and said, "Gentlemen, this is the Colt .45 pistol, developed in 1911 by St. John Browning. They struggled with .357 and .45. I have both 45s and 9mm's but I'm not emotionally attached to the 1911 or 45 ACP, it's not better, it's different. .308. I thought this was going to get way uglier in the comments. Stopping power is not the same as joules or ft/lbs. Get free updates when we add new tips, articles and more! This is why armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot tank rounds fly at speeds above 5000 fps. Federal American Eagle 9mm BONUS: Shoot better. The G21 is for home defense. Watching high speed camera footage of bullets entering ballistic gel really clues one in to the effect of hydrostatic shock versus the more traditional thinking that the bigger the wound channel the bigger the damage. In reality it may be the bigger the amount of energy dumped into the target, and the more water displaced as a result, the bigger the damage. IMHO (other than good social time discussions about guns and fishing tackle) forget the caliber wars. Provided that you live in a free state, 9mm in 135 HydraShoks or 147 V-Crowns or 147 HSTs hands down . /end of debate. They want a 210 or better the 1st time through and then you get back to work. In church it's a full size 45 at home full size 45 SHTF one for travel one for house to house. Thanks, Eric! Get proficient on YOUR time. or 44 Mag. Luger presented his new round to both Great Britain and the U.S. before it was adopted by the Imperial German Navy in 1904 and the German Army four years later. Don't know about explode, but a good hollow point will EXPAND. Velocity did of course increase further with longer barrels, but to a much smaller degree. However on the range I like 9mm CZ P01 or Sig Sauer, I'm of the opinion that your article, as good as it is, is lacking in accurately assessing the capacity issue. An average muzzle velocity of 9mm ammunition, that being the energy the bullet leaves the barrel with, is around 1,200 feet per second (commonly abbreviated as fps or ft/s). Thats why its more popular in police, military, and civilian use. I LIKE them all. The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. While the answer to this is up to debate, one thing is certain: higher muzzle velocity does equal slower bullet drop. 9mm Sig Sauer 124 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point Average muzzle velocity: 1151 fps Average muzzle energy: 365 ft/lbs. If youre firing 9mm ammo with a pistol caliber carbine, expect to get another 5-10% velocity out of your ammo. hang yourself an old school iron skillet for a target. Concealability is rarely an issue, so a smaller 9mm really has little advantage. The ones that I carry travel at 1000 fps. It's just going to tear stuff up more in there. Thus, it is deadlier. I'm just a regular guy, but shot placement would rule my decision. Well written, and no trash talking, rare in the gun world. If you're afraid of what's behind your target you shouldn't be shooting in the first place. Soul people go to hell. Even within AR-15s, muzzle velocity might be very different from gun to gun. Except for maybe a BB gun! Less 'intent' to kill when LEO show up to take your statement and you're less likely to injure a family member 3 rooms away! My 45 acp has a muzzle velosity of 1000 fps 510 foot lbs. The wound tracks of a 9mm and a .45 ACP are almost the same. You always try to chose the right tool for the job, no surprise. I think people should think about not only the effects on an intruder but also how they will feel after they have shot someone. In addition to firearms-related work, Josh enjoys working with animals and researching conservation projects in his home state of Michigan. I knew folks who carried small .22LR automatics (Beretta etc) or light weight revolvers that family could Mail to RVN. The pattern element in the name contains the unique identity number of the account or website it relates to. The velocities displayed are an average taken from six readings. And because 9mm ammo is so relatively inexpensive, it permits its shooter to practice longer and more often. of energy. Now you must shout for him to get down/leave, because your selected ammunition could possibly over penetrate and harm someone in another room, and hope the situation doesn't escalate to him reacting in instinctive action by charging or shooting at you. I fired four magazines on patrol engagements and was credited by MI at debriefs with seven confirmed. He didn't even have a BRUISE where the 45cal bullet hit him!! I bought it for my wife close to 40 years ago, then she decided not to shoot anymore, sad and not so safe. You need fewer rounds to do the job so you dont get excessive force charge , so that rules out the capacity as being a decision factor in the debate . I know the adrenaline dump and freeze response. Interesting. Because thats how many studies there are. Which is best? You shouldnt be shooting in long distance situations if its self defense situation. Like the logo of a Very Familiar training range: Practice, practice, practice. All handgun wounds will combine the components of penetration, permanent cavity, and temporary cavity to a greater or lesser degree. So therefore if you had a smallish gun with 6+1, you'd be covered. Conversely, the 9mm spits out a 115- and 147-grain bullet anywhere around 1,000 to 1,300 fps at the muzzle, with energy ranging from 294 to 495 at the muzzle. The 135-grain Critical Duty load, by contrast, travels at 1,100 fps from a five-inch pistol and generates 369 ft.-lbs. 30.06 I doubt that lady would have had time to reload. I had never thought about all this before the day that an Iraq veteran, who loves hunting, told me use a BB gun to shoot rats in your backyard and carry a large magnum as a backup against a hog charging against you. As you can see from the data, the 9mm is heavily impacted by barrel length. Not sure which one is best for you? When did this stop being about the two rounds up for discussion? Come to the UK. And I don't mean keeping your one pistol in a sock drawer. 1 shot equals. Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. That's more foolishness. With boxes of 9mm Luger rounds being 30% to 40% cheaper than .45 ACP ammo, increased range time isnt going to break your budget. Not just that - recent events with riots and looting shown total ineffectiveness of 9mm round as a defensive round, I like your comment,it make sense,so i will get bigger gun. Engagements where distance and volume of fire are important, 9mm has the advantage. Josh surely has the skills to know that the results of this test on recoil and accuracy are more important than VELO only. ", 9, 38, 40, 10, 45..they ALL have advantages..I think NONE have a disadvantage. If Im going with a traditional hollow point, give me .45 ACP Federal HST +P at 950 FPS. Otherwise, As I've said, I guarantee I'll stop an attacker quicker with my 45's than any of my 9mm. This stands in contrast to the results from my .45 ACP test, which was relatively unaffected. In fact, since the world began, only 3 people have been:- With a wider selection of officers being able to shoot handguns chambered in 919mm, many departments choose this caliber so they can standardize around a single firearm and loading, making logistics and supply easier. +P and +P+ rounds are available as well. Pulling up graph for 223 one sees energy increasing almost linearly with barrel length up 18 where the graph ends. Brandon has spent the majority of his life hunting in the woods in Georgia and Alabama. So what if they are on the opposite side of a wall? At the end of the day though, a bigger bullet is theoretically better. Every single bullet, whether its a full-metal jacket, hollow point, or soft nose, can be measured in muzzle velocity. Energy at the target, which is considered critical to terminal performance, is enhanced when a bullet is traveling at a higher speed. Tracy. Because out of all my handguns, this is the one I'm most accurate with. that is much easier to deal with. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. All the targets, conclusion is I guess if your shooting steel targets you better use ar500 steel if you don't want to destroy them with you .45, but for self defense More calibers means more gun owners!! What I read about that encounter sickened me. Mass is an important factor! But if the FBI and cops have reverted to 9mm, I'm comfortable with it too. 9mm loads frequently deliver a muzzle energy greater than 300 ft lbs. The G 17 is probably the most carried pistol in American LE. I did the math wrong in my first comment and thought the 230gr was significantly more total energy . Unless you through simple logic out the window, the 45 does more damage. 26+1 rounds of 45 in a 5 pound package with little to no recoil? Ive been reading these articles for years and most of them are skewed in favor of the 9 by ammo selected for the test.They pick the hottest 6 9mm and the weakest 6 45s and shoot jello. Good stopping power and less likely to penetrate walls and hit a bystander. Terminal ballistics are not adequately covered. The way Guns damage the human body is by adding energy to lead. If I want range and penetration, I'll grab one of my rifles. Most ATTACKERS even if not mortally wounded will address thier WOUND TRY to save THIER LIFE & not get SHOT Again!! This really isn't the place for an in depth spiritual discussion, but your comment was interesting. As will pretty much anything under #4 buckshot. My sidearm of choice has been the Gen 3 Glock 22 for years. Considering that ballistics and expansion have increased for all calibers I like the 45 . Most of the 9mm-luger cartridges they tested are still accelerating out to 16, but most of the gains occur by about 10. My preference is to pull up the energy graph for nice visual reference. The point is that 9mm is now sufficient to stop most attackers with 1 shot, while also having the advantage of increased capacity and reduced recoil. Practice practice and take a gun class to learn the law. Hornady has an XTP +P 135gr that is an excellent design. Until you're reaching velocities where hydrostatic shock becomes a thing (2,500+ fps) you're poking holes in flesh bags. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to. Somethig to the discuters, even for an author. A .357 magnum round can have similar effects. The Trijcon Laser/ Spot/ Flash is also bore sighted low to compensate for 300 yds with a 4x32 Leupold Huntsman Hi-Rise Mounted Scope on 1/2" QD Camlock to transfer to the Bulldog with the Bipod/ Foregrip. Only thing I would add is my home defense pistol fights me to my riflesince pistol rounds are weak compared to a good old 5.56. Itll help keep you consistent and on-target. Critical duty allows barrier penetration. 1 ? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I notice that most articles talking up the 9mm always compares the newest and best 9mm to the old slow fmj .45, not taking into account that there are now .45 with lighter projectiles and higher speeds that far and away leave the 9mm in the dust. Americans don't care what Europeans think. Speed is an important factor for ballistic performance, impacting accuracy, trajectory, energy, and penetration. Let your fellow shooters know share this article using the Facebook, Twitter and other social media icons below. It just depends on what I am wearing and how much concealment I want. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. No body needs "A" gun, with so many needs there is no one gun that is practical, thus it should be said, no one needs "A" gun, you need many. I know it would have been a lot more work but I was slightly disappointed that you did not include the Glock17 with the 4.6 inch barrel. When I was in we still carried the Colt 1911 .45. You may need to spray again so a larger can is a better bet if you can afford it. Not always which round is bigger, faster, more powerful!!!! Get free updates when we add new tips, articles and more! The US military adopted the 38 Long Colt in 1892 thinking service men could carry more ammo and the cost to manufacture and transport would be lower per round. Well, when it comes to home defense, the .45 ACP does holdone distinct advantage over the 9mmshallower penetration. Adam, Eve (before they sinned), and the Lord Jesus Christ (Who never sinned.) Therefore, if you are using rifle cartridges for long-range hunting, you not only need to be concerned with muzzle velocity, but you should also understand the rated velocity for the distance you to target. The 9mm is easier to conceal but when I am on my Harley I like to carry the 45. I compete with them all. If you want knock down power take up boxing . This article has a ton of ballistic coefficient details, The Best Self Defense Ammo Ballistic Testing, .22 Long Rifle Remington Thunderbolt: 1,255, .30-06 Springfield Federal Power-Shok: 2,700, .308 Winchester Super-X Power Point: 2,820, .44-40 Winchester Super-X Soft Point: 1,190, .357 Magnum Hornady Critical Defense: 1,500. I had been on the fence regarding 9mm and .45ACP for a long time, then I purchased a couple of different 9mm semi-autos for carry over a few years, with .380 for backup. My 2 primary guns are a Canik TP9SA 19 shot 9mm and a 7 shot Taurus TRACKER 357magnum. Hum. The important things here are Bullet Type, and bullet placement. What seemed like moments after making my calls to get .45, I was again on the line with several of the same fine companies to acquire some 9mm. As most modern shooting systems use a two hannd grip, the grip circumference is negligible. If interested perhaps we can exchange some info or thoughts, was really looking forward to reading this when I had time. e.g. With advancements in technology since its introduction at the turn of the 20th century, the 9mm is able to deliver similar terminal performance to rounds with heavier bullets such as the 45 ACP and 40 S&W. I have owned both and prefer the 1911A1 style and stopping power. I can still put a magazine full of .45 ACP right on target fast enough to get yelled at by the range officer. Underwood ammo shows muzzle energy of 600-725 range for the 10mm and 1074-1125+ for 41. The cookie is set by crwdcntrl.net to collect statistical data such as the number of visits, average time spent on site, and what pages have been loaded, for targeted advertising. Expecially a HEAD, NECK or double tap CHEST shot!! Youtube, ABOUT US The 9mms lower cost and recoil make it an even more attractive solution for effective self-defense. What is the best Hollow Points for a Glock 19? The Lehigh Defense 70gr HERO loading exited the muzzle at a staggering average of 1784fps from the G34 and only lost 234pfs going down to the minute G43, which works out to only 15% loss. This page was last edited on 24 February 2023, at 12:37. For the latter you need moderate velocity and a bullet that holds it's shape. Any weapon or round in the right hands can be lethal just find whats the most comfortable and accurate with your shots. Its truly sad that worthless police management who sit on their asses all day behind their desk in their A/C can implement near-sighted ideas like this, but it is what it is. For instance, Hornady uses a 24 barrel to test and record muzzle velocities for their 223 ammo. But lets not forget the same developments in HP ammo that allowed 9mm to catch up to .45 ACP FMJ also allowed .45 ACP HP to beef up. Although higher velocity projectiles always generate more kinetic energy they clearly do not produce deeper penetration, and when the velocities reach the levels common to today's magnums, the increases in velocity result in significantly reduced penetration. It kills everything else. As mentioned the simple fact is that the recoil of a 9mm is so much more manageable than a .45 which I call 'hand cannons'. : If you seek peace, prepare for war. This was the motto of its original manufacturer Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken. Less recoil making for more accurate follow up shots is a huge advantage in a high stress defense situation. My personal favorite without a doubt is the 1911 design, even though it's heavy, expensive to shoot, and has a limited magazine. As mentioned in the video, over-penetration isnt as big of a problem with the .45 ACP because of its slower, bulky bullets. But as I wrote before, I will be sent to jali for that and I dont like small places :D But I would definitely take a .45 Auto pistol over 9 x 19 handgun in most situations. About 7 inches. Saying you can stop an attacker faster with a 9mm than a 45 is absolute ignorance. It allows more ammo and is faster than the 45. Youve shot hundreds of people with both 45ACP and 9mm under exacting reproducible scientific conditions ? Knock down power is vague, because it doesnt exist. We'll only use the information provided according to our privacy policy. Secure .gov websites use HTTPS Same debates have raged on Betamax vs VHS, mustang vs camaro, HD-DVD vs Bluray, etc etc. I know that if my threat has consumed a narcotic I may have to fire my 9mm several times to stop the threat but if I hit my target with my .45acp the threat will be on the ground before it realizes that it has been hit. 5 Rounds of Hell. Winner: 9mm Luger Muzzle Energy of 40 S&W vs. 9mm Muzzle Energy Calculation You can calculate kinetic energy using the classic formula you memorized in Physics class. I also own a glock 19 as well. If a higher capacity magazine (15) might be needed (such as law enforcement), go with the 9mm. Thanks. 11k plains, 6k tanks, 300k trucks, and 3 million tons of food were sent by the USA to the USSR. BTW, I like the 9mm and .45 pretty much equally and have both calibers. I witnessed a man in the early 80s with over a dozen 9mm rounds in him. Just because the FBI says, doesn't make it a fact. Muzzle velocity is simply a measure of the speed of the projectile the moment it leaves the barrel. If I did, I would either aviod the area or take a rifle. Photographs and table, Territories Financial Support Center (TFSC), Tribal Financial Management Center (TFMC). Any reference to "stopping power" in regards to the aforementioned rounds is laughable. I prefer to carry a 45acp because it rips arms off bodies and a 12 gauge in the house. I also hold no delusions that the US would have defeated the axis powers by itself. It's quiet and very handy if you plan on silencing a weapon. I was in the Corps during the .45 ACP to 9mm swap. (All listings are fps). .45 ACP does have more advantages than stated in this article, namely that the .45 will not get deflected by bones nearly as bad as the 9mm (for example, pro bowlers, as they age, would rather stick with a 16lb ball and have less speed than drop to a 15lb ball and keep their speed high - the difference between a 15lb ball and a 16lb ball going through the pins is astonishing). I started my handgun experience as a .40 cal guy. For me the recoil is like a BB gun but has a similar down range damage as a 9mm. Lmao. Hi Catherine. My highest capacity 45 is my home defense weapon. The same principle applies to bullets. I very clearly state that slow is a relative reference to the speed of other bullets . The _ga cookie, installed by Google Analytics, calculates visitor, session and campaign data and also keeps track of site usage for the site's analytics report. We switched to Sigs P226 which was wonderful, but accuracy dropped. 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