Dull other times. God bless. Now the Chicago-area megachurch is sharing details of the settlement and has apologized to its former pastor, who was fired in February 2019. To judge a fellow brother and think you know if he is a believer is dangerous. Hi Sally, Pray for James and Christs church that the LORD would accomplish what HE and HE alone is allowing. The ungodly jockying for power and control is still an issue in all our churches. 3. Start praying to the Lord for healing. I didnt want James as an enemy, as being on the inside knowing and seeing how he could and would destroy others in ministry if they challenged him. She has a right to expose. I, like you, am so thankful for how God has worked in me and my family through the ministries at Harvestincluding the teaching and selfless service of Lina, and so many others (some who have left, and some who chose to stay). And I find it odd that someone would have an opinion on that. However, James is not the same person he was when he began that church and if he was to continue leading it, he would hurt countless others. Sign up for our newsletter: The World article on the topic says that after Secrest was fired, "he was stunned, because his contract stipulated that he could be fired only for . You also restrained and could have said much more and didnt. You can read that story right here. Thanks for sharing Lina. The Harvest and James MacDonald Controversy Explained, Did Pharaoh Have Free Will? It is not with the powerful; it is those whom the powerful make to feel like theyre nothing. And the lies werent just shared by James. God is faithful, and He is doing what needs to be done to protect His bride. I didnt want to upset James. Now that all MacDonald men are gone and the elder board has been cut down to 9 men until a brand spanking new group of men are approved of, I am curious to see where this train goes. God is a for-others being he can not lie, therefore, he can not be for Himself. In his statement released this week, MacDonald continues to criticize the church for its treatment of him and cites the successful arbitration as confirmation that the truth has been on his side all along. Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! I attended Harvest for five years, and left five years ago. I didnt want to risk any negative impacts on my own growing ministry. Our GOD is an awesome GOD. Leaving without speaking up was still an act of cowardice and self-preservation. A new believer has lost faith because of the shameful behavior of HBC leadership and all you can say is question the new believers truthfulness of his account? Speaking the truth and not cowering in the corner. They never acknowledged that they had done anything wrong. Gods hand is on Harvest and the dark is continuing to be shown. Id be interested in reading you blog on tattoos. Despite recent legal cases and reports of greedy abuses, experts say the longstanding benefit remains safe. It seems to me that theyve had years to repent and make things right. If you personally were not in a position to be damaged by James, do not judge those who were susceptible to the wrath damage of James. Implying that the information on TED was lies. Nancy You sound like you still attend thereand you seem double minded. I struggle with the fear of man myself. Something happened to us some years ago and a number of people turned against us because of lies, etc. Romans 16: 17-20. At Camp Harvest in 2009, for example, the pastor shot at a target that contained photos of some elders wives. Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. Or were you saying they were bullied too. A year or so before leaving Harvest I had written a blog post about holiness in which I had referenced the growing fad of tattoos in our culture. May God have mercy on his soul. Soon we must bring those truths to light, but for now we continue under the weight of so much falsehood in hope that the church will themselves initiate the needed steps of public confession, he wrote. We are to find our faith and hope in the Message, not the messenger. Every weekday, get RELEVANT's top five articles delivered to your inbox! Dont you think this influences decisions made by the leaders, both now and before? The 60-year-old pastor called on his former church to confess its wrongs and correct the record. The beloved drink is both an attraction and a generational divide. I also managed to write an apology to James for the pain I had caused him. What Can Christians Do About Climate Change? Please anchor in on John 7:24. The eight former elders who signed the letter alleged that that Harvest ran a puppet elder board; that a culture of fear and intimidation plagued the church; and that the elder board, which was supposed to be responsible for overseeing the churchs finances, was not granted access to financial information. The question is with independent churches who did they answer to? I feared offending people. I wasnt happy with that but it had to be done! Through it all, our relationship with Christ was strengthened all the more. But I hope the healing can begin, and I hope the abuse will stop.. Welcome to the Video Broadcast ministry of Cornerstone Bible Church. For me, I live with the regret of not taking advantage of the opportunity to come over and get to know you. While regret cant look back, we now live in a different era than we did four years ago. Yes, there are a lot of hurting people at Harvest. I can only hope and pray that those that criticize you for speaking up now are MORE upset about the behavior of the leaders of the church! *For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. Hmm. Agreed Sheila. Sometimes being good will also mean being nice, but sometimes it will not. 1.) I cant imagine a culture in which you felt such fear. Hi Hurting in Davenport, Notify me by email when the comment gets approved. Opt out of televised preaching? When a person is afraid of the reaction of their pastor or preacher it is time to move on. As a nation, something painful will bring us back. Do you read the elder updates? 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I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. The message we received was they were sorry we felt that way and they were sure it was not his intention. How long will we wait to begin the healing process within ourselves and between each other? With my life and schedule, my friends are few and far between, and have always been aware that my saying anything publicly about Harvest or James would jeopardize those friendships that I still love and value so much. In the past we were to study pulpit curriculum and bible vocabulary. Check out Moreno website, http://www.godsonlygospel.com. Woah there Nellie! I met you when you spoke at Harvest Davenports womens ministry retreat and events many years ago and was challenged and inspired by your teaching. While every major financial decision was supposed to be examined and approved by the churchs eldersand it was claimed that this was casethis was not actually happening. Because Jeff is still lying to peoples faces with a smug grin as recently as Saturday night. So much good was happening at Harvest, surely it must have Gods blessing. However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. Is the founding pastor subject to accountability structures? I dont understand how anyone could watch that video and not immediately know that something was very, very wrong. The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. Dan was a part of this elder board with these 7 elders and he details only some of the fraud . James has all the characteristics of a false teacher. Youve blessed me when I heard you speak at a Harvest Womens event about 10 yrs ago, through your radio ministry and at an event you spoke at last year. As an encouragement, from day 1, as you began your faith walk ministry, starting a Women of Power teaching ministry at Harvest, I have watched your character. I really think you hit the nail on the head when you said you realized something dark about yourself, that you had been a woman ruled by fearand I could identify with what you said since I had been that woman too. Harvest Bible Chapel Naples and its landlord have reached a settlement, ending a court battle to evict the church. That is who God truly cares about. Most continue to stay there, as their numbers dwindle. And still some came because their loved ones and spouses have abandoned the faith completely and now refuse to go to church and they long to understand why. I am so proud of Lina and she is speaking out the words that I would never say because I live in fear of that kind of authority. Thankful for her thoughtful response and I agree with you that God knows all of this and isnt surprised by any of it including the timing of her response. I share a lot of the same feelings. If so Id be in agreement but again- this is not a political post. I wondered if you had become a full time missionary and if that was why you quit writing. Im disappointed in your timing. It didnt. Authority? Rita, be encouraged. http://www.issendai.com/psychology/sick-systems.html. Ted Haggard bemoans his "exile" in a new HBO documentary. Publicizing viewpoints rejected by the elder majority for any reason is satanic to the core. But the truth needs to be out there. These same elders that all of a sudden had the courage to fire James, ( which I think is a scam, this was orchestrated )are the same elders that approved that stupid video with those four scum bag elders excommunicating other elders! I believe you spoke up now to show how far reaching the powerful words and actions of those in authority goes. For years, they had been made to feel like the outcasts, but finally vindication in its godly form was working its way out. I was so dissappointed to hear that she left. Lina Abujamra who once was the Womens Ministry Director at Rolling Meadows explained how she ran afoul of the elders and why she left in the course of time. But if they submit to the Healer, they will come out stronger. You have every right to speak up; and I respect you for doing so. If you ever make that offer again, Ill be there, but please post on Twitter. MacDonald defended the decision to sue fellow believers in an opinion piece published inChristianity Today,which also published criticism of MacDonald. And it wasnt just some random bloggers saying these things, either. Get the most recent headlines and stories from Christianity Today delivered to your inbox daily. Dont talk to them, or theyll drag you down too. This journey has taken me several years. Its difficult to understand how people can now know what they know and still only criticize the ones that feel compelled to now share their story. I have had similar experiences at The Chapel . Oh Kristy, Thank you so much for expressing exactly what I am feelingsuch sorrow, such heartbreaking sorrow. Christians! Sheri and her husband Gary attended Cornerstone in the 1980s while attending Azusa Pacific and in their first few years of marriage. Not saying thete arent strong christians in leadership at this church but it does always seem that when pride gets in the way of leadership it hurts that person and everyone around them. Like in Ezekiel, many people are trying to sound the trumpet of warning!! James is (was) a powerful force which could and did destroy people with his power and influence. Faith is Christ living. Leak of highly inappropriate comments by founding pastor of Chicago-area megachurch caps months-long clash with critics. God used him mightily for many years and brought His salvation to thousands through this brother. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. He spoke highly of you, and since then, I have occasionally prayed for you regarding your time and experience at HBC. Do not judge the timing, Gods timing is Always Perfect. James MacDonald (born October 4, 1960) is a Canadian-born evangelical Christian pastor, television evangelist, and author. Pray and console those whose faith has weakened from this. Thank you for all you do. The fruit of people at Harvest coming to Christ belongs to the Holy Spirit, not to JM. and stay glued to founded and genuine monetary purchase services. We cant judge the HEART of others, we can judge their actions and behaviors. With so much gaslighting going on and public take-downs of those who would speak truth to power, and your investment in the church industrial complex, I can imagine how difficult it wouldve been to speak out publicly at the time of your leaving. In keeping with our past private statements to Harvests leadership and to our pastorsThe primary issue is not reconciliation or peacemaking, it is repentance, GCC elders said in a January 17 statement. You are absolutely right about the fear! The two entities released separate statements detailing the results of the process, which went through the Institute for Christian Conciliation. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. He just got into the worlds standards for a preacher. I am staying because with all the faults in the organization, the people of Harvest are my family. He is very likely not a brother in Christ. It quickly became one of the 50 largest churches in the country, with over 12,000 members and eight campuses in the Chicago area. 1 Timothy 5:20 He is doing a new thing, and I will stand with my brothers and sisters in Christ and praise his Holy name through it all. Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: Its Not About Winning Football Games. Bless you! I keep coming back to this part and I identify so much with this part. I havent seen the video but abuse of power at any level is sickening!! Why do you say you have a lack of music?. Thank God the early Christians stood firm and did not run away from troubles. I can think of hundreds of small things, and some rather large ones, that Ive compromised myself for. But, the truth is, I am ashamed to say, I should have left much sooner. , Titus 3:10-11 says as for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once, and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful, he is self condemned. Also 1 Timothy 5:20 says as for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, which is what we are doing, so that the rest may stand in fear. , Nothing is covered, nothing is unresolved, nothing is ongoing, only this attack from the enemy. Thank you for taking the time to nurture the HBC flock that Pastor James never cared about! She approached this with sensitivity, wisdom and grace. Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, revealed material obtained under subpoena, called into Mancow Mullers Chicago-area radio show. A peacemaking process, while helpful for personal and relational reconciliation, is not the approach to address failed governance, biblical disqualification, and a toxic leadership environment.. At my former church, I reached the point where I couldnt, in good conscience, stay because of the amount of bull-headed spiritual abuse that was going on combined with covering-up of sexual abuse. Others have asked, but immediately defend the senior pastor and church. Do you not remember that God used His Chosen to reveal the sin of not only churches, in the New Testament, but also to Kings in Old Testament. Im thankful you followed the Lords leading in these stressful and difficult circumstances. Yes Nellie, we are called to bring light on the darkness. As one person whom MacDonald led to the Lord remarked to me, Its like finding out your wife is a serial killer. The disillusionment, betrayal, and loss can be excruciating. New to Harvest and my faith in Christ, I didnt know what was going on and still kinda of unclear of all the details. Because TRANSPARENCY is neededand now ahe may be starting to feel safe. this isnt meant to hurt you but to support those who need it. She was obedient to Christ. I believe Lina did do the best she could at the time. It never dawned on me that it would open you up to attack. No one asked why I quit attending after 15 years. Press on in Truth with Grace and Peace. Well, that same year, my wife was hired as the childrens pastor at the church we had been volunteering at on Wednesday nights (because our church had nothing going on) and I myself have been ordained as a deacon and have even had the privilege to preach on a Sunday morning. This cancer must be excised and as often as is the case in cancer treatment, months of treatment must be involved for health to take place. Many were intimidated, called names, called subversives. Then, on February 8th, Roys revealed material obtained under subpoena that backed up critics claims that Harvest Bible Chapel inappropriately took money from HBF. Such lack of accountability is often a problem at megachurches, which tend to be founded by charismatic individuals who quickly amass a large following. When one part of the body hurts, we all hurt! He bullied his way into being paid multiple times for the work he was hired to so as the pastor, sermons and bible teaching. It is so sad when the devil works to cause problems in a church. (function($) {window.fnames = new Array(); window.ftypes = new Array();fnames[0]='EMAIL';ftypes[0]='email';fnames[1]='FNAME';ftypes[1]='text';fnames[2]='LNAME';ftypes[2]='text';fnames[3]='MMERGE3';ftypes[3]='text';}(jQuery));var $mcj = jQuery.noConflict(true); Copyright 2023 Living With Power. That IS A LIE!! He kept telling me that I didnt understand authority and I was in rebellion. Often it was the leadership that lost track and influenced the group. After leaving, others came to us, with similar stories of why they left or quit being involved. Good word, my sister. During Sunday services, Harvest showed a videoof members of the current elder board explaining why the church was placing the two former elders under church discipline: Church matters are not to be tried in the court of public opinion. I appreciate your voice. Swicegood released a statement saying that much of what has been alleged "is simply false, misleading and hateful." He added that the . The founder of a Chicago megachurch has been fired as its leader. Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Lina, I really doubt theyre sending texts and emails asking for money. You are loved. You must not feel sorry for James. Hoping you come back and teach a book of the Bible. The link was in my post above. This included an abusive and fear-based culture where those who question leadership are punished, she writes. I have multiple thoughts. This team is to be made up of congregants, staff, professionals, and elders, and will be headed by a church member. Though MacDonald initially opted to step away from all preaching and leadership roles at the churchs Chicago-area locations, in his January 16 sabbatical announcement he suggested he might still preach at a Harvest congregation in Naples, Florida, which led to another saga. The church is to be a living organism for the cause of Christ and no other. Whatever is wrong in Gods eyes He will bring someone to reveal it. Walked out of that service. The Pastor started teaching on obeying your authority and not questioning authority etc. I am saddened by it. I do not think the solution is replacing the pastor and associates with a new administration. The evil at Harvest is a nasty stage four cancer yet has invaded the entire body. I do believe you. Will James not wake up and realize that the Church of Jesus Christ is not the organization or nonprofits we create, but the men and women that God calls and saves by the sacrifice of His Son? Perhaps the Holy Spirit prompted Lina to share from the HEART. This post reminds me of something that happened at my former church. 2 Thumbs Way up to you my sister in Christ, for being open about your experience there, which more people than you know have also been through! Please see my link. Then, a famous friend of his, Chicago shock jock Mancow Muller, spoke out in a local newspaper against the manipulation and ego he observed around MacDonalds cult of personality at Harvest. By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman/person ruled by fear. I am so happy that finally people are standing up and talk about it! In 2013, in a story covered bymajor evangelical news outlets, Harvest publicly excommunicated two former elders who were still members of Harvest. Instead, they have chosen to remain on the elder board and continue with the deep-seeded corruption and fraud that has plagued Harvest Bible Chapel for many years. I pray your steps continue to be guided by our Lord! James MacDonald and the leaders of HBC did that with their own hands, hearts, & minds. Praying for a healing and refocus of all Gods churches, Mary, Therefore, we are at our most open to hurt. God has this situation in his hands he wasnt surprised by it. Transparency in finances Doesnt matter how long ago it happened either. Love you! DIRECTIONS & INFO | . He kept going back to you disobeyed the pastor so youre wrong (me in this case for talking to the youth and his mom about it after it happened). Amen to that. Following the initial World report, MacDonald announced he would be taking a sabbatical, but suggested he may still occasionally preach at a Harvest-affiliated church in Florida. Typical gossips and power struggles are only the surface. That is why we keep talking. Your sister in Christ in Auburn, Indiana. That, it seems, was what it took to finally break his hold over his current elder board; to finally convince the elders that they were wrong to keep listening to his excuses. Until then, you are still a wolf in sheeps clothing. I think God has not lifted the veil on a lot of eyes for some reason. Its hard. I think that was his recruitment tactic. The Elephant's . Ill let the others fight that fight today. We are all human, myself included. While tens of thousands flocked to campus, school officials met in a storage closet to make decisions that would honor what is happening.. Leba and Sheila- Keep on being brave- it encourages me to do the same! She did a awesome job as the judgment of God has come to his house. Each former leader that speaks out helps us heal and validates our experience. I was recovering from the deep wounds and hurts from when we left when this all came rushing back in and opening old wounds. (My) fear was in upsetting James And your part of the problem. It also had a church-planting network, Harvest Bible Fellowship (HBF), which MacDonald dissolved last year. A book called the Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse really helped me and my wife to recover from our experience of confronting the pastor and then leaving the church. see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. Not everyone is so blessed, and for those of you who have left HBC and have had to find a new local church, there are healthy ones out there. For a preacher is faithful, and some rather large ones, that Ive myself. 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