As Hayes wrapped up his 8:00 p.m. show, he passed the baton to his 9:00 p.m. successor, who then immediately alluded to an earlier conversation the pair had earlier in the day. Harriet Johnson, I only took out in the draft before you got that rough cut, so --, Chris Hayes: Right, because you didn't want to give me two names that I had to manage --. Whatever is going to happen now, it's going to be coming down from that, so that was very kind. Great reason --. Chris Hayes: So here's the thing, so we're going to get in the topic, but what was so striking to me, and this sort of goes back to what I was trying to get at the monologue, there is just this inimitable thing. Rachel Maddow: -- 10:30. Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow don't really get along, do they? Rachel Maddow MSNBC 4 Anderson Cooper Big Government Jake Tapper 5 Christiane Amanpour James O'Keefe Joy Reid 6 Pope Francis Sean Hannity Chris Hayes 7 Dr Sanjay Gupta Raheem Emma Gonzlez 8 CNNMoney Joel B. Pollak Markos Moulitsas 9 Jake Tapper Ann Coulter Maggie Haberman 10 Brian Stelter Allum Bokhari You also agree to our. And now I'm done. And if that thing isn't there at the end of the day, like, I got the day off --. Are you the local activist whos worried about people getting beat up outside this sort of antisemitic street meetings? Rachel Maddow: -- and you were working this hard. You can see more of our work, including links to things we mentioned here, by going to nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening.Stream the video version of this conversation on Peacock here. I mean, if you take people at face value and you believe that they are arguing earnestly for what they believe, those are fascinating and substantive arguments, which also occluded a lot of active fascist-organizing in the United States at the time. I would know if that happened, like someone's miscommunicating to me what the topic of this is because, if that had happened, I would know, but it turns out it did happen, I didn't know about it. That's how we got the Foreign Agent Registration Act. I want people to listen. Rachel Maddow: Who will appoint the necessary strong man? But the thing that was very exciting to me about that was like, oh, well, let's see what Babe Ruth is going to do next. This guy, Babe Ruth, comes along, starts out as a pitcher, goes over to hitting. Chris Hayes: We should talk about, since its mentioned, the title is "The Christian Front: Coughlins Storm Troopers," and maybe we should talk a little bit of Coughlin because he is a key figure. By MSNBC staff. Rachel Maddow: -- which failed. Chris Hayes, Nico Parker: N/A: Late Show Presents: Meanwhile. Why Is This Happening? is presented by MSNBC and NBC News, produced by Doni Holloway and Brendan O'Melia, engineered by Bob Mallory, features music by Eddie Cooper. ", Chris Hayes: Like, a round of applause for this, like --, Chris Hayes: -- please, yes. Conservative talk show host Dan Bongino's Fox News show has trounced a documentary about his former boss, Barack Obama, in the ratings. Chris Hayes: You know, so there are these attempts that fail where its like, no, you cant do that. And then it's here. And hes very, you know, honest about the fact that antisemitism was not a sin in the Catholic church --. I would say that theres a recognizably fascist cadence, like theres a certain tenor and cadence and rhythm --, Chris Hayes: -- to fascist incitement and then --. And I also was like, I guess, I just never heard of the senator. Rachel Maddow: -- like, that night, and was coming back. Chris Hayes: Everyone gets to see what I do. And why have you never heard of this guy? Rachel Maddow: -- to distribute German government propaganda in the United States through the U.S. Congress and through the United States Senate. Chris Hayes: -- because its like, look, well, it turned around in the end. I just think we need some energy in it. And so, what we end up with is the Justice Department, not stumbling onto but discovering the contours of this plot by the Hitler government to use members of Congress to distribute Nazi propaganda in quantity to the American public. Culture Rachel Maddow Coronavirus MSNBC TV. Rachel Maddow: -- because you have free speech, but you ought to be recognized as a political actor and for the political threat you pose to our system, and there ought to be a response. Rachel Maddow: -- and was profoundly both popular. I think that American journalism is strong and has all the right instincts and can lead. Rachel Maddow: An effort in the United States. Signers responded to outreach from three organizations--Just Foreign Policy, RootsAction.org (which I coordinate), and World Beyond War--calling for concerned individuals to "urge Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, and MSNBC to correct their failure to report on the humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen and the direct U.S. military role in causing the . Obviously, in a big country, people have all sorts of views, right --. Chris Hayes: -- its wild that this happens, that this level of sort of fame and stardom and influence happens within the hierarchy of the Catholic clergy where he just literally just a literal random parish priest. I communicate for a living. Theres a role for journalism, there is a role for activism. This is extremely exciting. Here's the thing, I'm in this weird thing where it's like I don't want to spoil it, but kind of have to talk about the content of the podcast. And then in 1913, he had 12. The presence of a hate symbol in a picture of two liberals mugging for the camera was too much to ignore. Vice reported that it was told by Goodwill after the items were brought to the organizations attention that the items were removed from its online auction. Rachel Maddow is incredible. And the fact is that even after Pearl Harbor, the groups that were planning the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, they took on a different caste because then, you know, we were at war. Rachel Maddow: And if we can't be real and, like, sort of justly calibrated in terms of thinking about American fascism, and American authoritarianism, and indeed American support for Hitler in the leadup to Pearl Harbor, then I think we can't be real and clearsighted about the persistence of those movements over time as the generations have gone on. There was a huge amount of, probably, a bigger category of not outright Nazi sympathizers but people who are, like, kind of equivocal about the whole thing. I think that our professional, and civic and religious institutions can be strong, but can also be hurt. Doni Holloway: It was about events of historical significance compared to today. Chris Hayes: Pearl Harbor happens, the war happens. He is also the host of the Up with Chris Hayes show which airs on weekends. Hayes was said to transition better to The Rachel Maddow Show because he is seen as just as policy-oriented as Maddow. And they're right, like, they earned it. A joke dies, they cut it. At least three prime time MSNBC hosts have changed their tone on Covid-19 vaccines since 2020, Twitter archives reveal. Rachel Maddow: -- fight fascism and save the country. Not one of them touched the green pepper he'd cut up for. Rachel Maddow: Yes, and that's got a whole lot of technical elements to it, like, dont --, Rachel Maddow: -- dont use too many proper nouns that are --, Chris Hayes: -- magicians trick, it really is, like --, Rachel Maddow: -- but you know how to do it. Today, Rachel Maddow writes about the future of election integrity. "Rachel Maddow, you've got some explaining to do," Ball said, but Maddow hasn't stopped anti-Trump speculation. It was the seventh most-watched show in the first quarter of 2017. Do you buy the explanation of the presence of the swastika on the desk? Why is he so upset? Rachel Maddow: -- saying, oh, the Justice Department should have never done this, and these poor Americans were persecuted just for being conservatives. They were good at hitting, they were good at getting doubles and triples and all this stuff. Prosecution does not work and that prosecutor, having been through all those different of the ringer ends up breaking all the rules. It's like, yeah, my job does this, but then there's you, inside. . Chris Hayes: Hes just a guy (ph), like --. Is this a real story? I'm getting weirdly teary. The Beat with Ari Melber. "The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell" and "All In With Chris Hayes" were 37th and 38th, respectively. And then fast-forward from the Christian Front trial in 1940 to 1944, 1944 when the great sedition trial finally gets going, and this is in later episodes of the podcast, theres so many powerful members of Congress and members of the Senate who are implicated in this plot and in this investigation that has led to this trial, that they come in and, you know, witch hunt, hoax. Is that a story about American fascism? So that idea of accountability, like there is a role for institutions like the church. Rachel printed it out from a digital archive for me because the first part of it is all about the anti-semitic menacing that fascist groups were doing in the Bronx in the late 1930s, he wrote. Sour Patch Lyds (@sourpatchlyds) October 5, 2022. Rachel Maddow: That's why I'm always up after midnight working on this stuff. Rachel Maddow: A bad guy needing to be opposed by force to save you, your family and all that you hold dear. And theres people who have done better scholarship on Coughlin that I can even sum up here, let alone try to ape. Rachel Maddow: And so, now she's like, you didn't retire --, Rachel Maddow: -- you changed jobs. But I'll tell you, the name of the secretary. Rachel Maddow: I was going to say, we're going to get a call from Mr. Stern, yeah. That --, Rachel Maddow: -- like, technical suspense? After Maddow's nine-week sabbatical, she returned to The Rachel Maddow Show on April 11 and made it official for her viewers: They'd have her four nights a week through the end of the month,. The subject of the. Chris Hayes: -- like, how is the new life of one night a week of "The Rachel Maddow Show"? Happy? Some of it was, you know, a hostile foreign power, but a lot of it was native borne. I mean, one of the things that's sort of really exciting and fascinating about the podcast is you've got front-page news coverage of this stuff. Chris Hayes: Yeah, exactly. Follow us on TikTok by searching for WITHpod. "No. And Rachel is just on another level as a communicator and a storyteller, and incredibly innovative in that respect as well, just at a technical level, which I think we're going to talk about a little bit, even though it's like a little inside (ph). Twitter users who were interested in inspecting the books that formed the backdrop to the photo noticed that when they magnified the picture, a document with a swastika on its cover was visible near Hayess right hip. Like, wait a second, how does this happen? One of her new projects is Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra, a podcast all about the history of pre-World War II American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. Chris Hayes: You have this detail about he reprints -- Goebbels --. I try to tell stories for a living. That happening at the same time that members of Congress and members of the United States Senate were being roped into a plan involving a Nazi agent to, not just sort of leverage their pro-German or antiwar sympathies, but actually do Hitler's work in this country. Chris Hayes is married to Kate Shaw, a professor of law at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University in Manhattan. Are you a prosecutor working in the southern district of New York whos, you know, deciding whether or not the FBI thats not interested in these things could be trusted to infiltrate these groups or whether or not youre going to tap these outside activist groups and take their information to build your prosecution around? They orchestrated civil lawsuits between different pro-fascist groups suing each other in order to expose all their dirty laundry to the world because law enforcement didnt care, right? Just so incredibly perfect that I have a typo in this tweet. And some of them, yes, were prosecutors and people working inside the criminal justice system, but some of them were crusading columnists. Chris Hayes: -- 54 in 1920, 59 and then famously 60 in 1927. Actually, it was the right decision. Luckily for us, her decision to dial back from the nightly cable news grind has allowed her to create a work in new media. So its like if thats not a crime, then nothing is. Chris Hayes: -- and it's funny, too, because I've been thinking about this as I'm listening to your "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," I'm thinking about, you know, the Russians, who have an incredibly profound mythology around World War II, justified by the fact that they lost more lives than anyone in --, Chris Hayes: -- defeating Hitler's army. The Rachel Maddow Show airs Mondays at 9pm ET on MSNBC, and shortly thereafter in this feed. We love your feedback, so tweet us the hashtag #WITHpod, e-mail WITHpod@gmail.com. Chris Hayes got his start on television as a guest host for. Chris Hayes: I knew a little bit about the Nuremberg controversy, or not really a controversy but people that objected to Nuremberg. Rachel Maddow: -- isolationists to move in, right? Offsite Link by Anonymous reply 24 May 21, 2020 12:04 AM They are best friends. Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 4, 2022. So you get that name. Rachel Maddow: Super interesting. We put it off a million times for COVID, and then we finally did it. Justice Department can only speak through its actions in court. And it's not just fact-checking, it is people correcting you when you stray and having a trusting relationship with the people you work with, so that --. Dog whistle, much? one Twitter user posted, while another wrote, Whats this? in bafflement. You could do the whole thing on, you know, the German agents who were getting the Lindberghs and the other --. Is that a history about Hitler? It kind of worked and he kind of broke it up. Rachel Maddow: And we are not going to fight them with knives. I mean, its all of those things. And those are some of the really interesting stories that I think are very much lost to history. Chris Hayes: -- like, Im not doing anything. Like, you're getting the name of the senator. To be like, "Thank you. Rachel Maddow: Trying to take power by force. Thats like hes a multiple of the Super Bowl every week in terms of --. (3:10) NBC had to retract a fabricated Today Show story that reignited the fascists' homophobic conspiracy theory about Paul Pelosi. You can see more of our work, including links to things we mentioned here, by going to nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening. Last night, both Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow interviewed activists drawn to D.C. this week to advocate for gun control because they have personal experience with mass-shootings. blend together . Rachel Maddow: And I'm really grateful. So these sort of grand ideological battles, first against Nazis and fascism, then against communism, and then of course, like, the ultimate victory of liberal democracy as a kind of like teleological story about human development, which we basically all get, like, whether we know it or not --. As I'm speaking to you, I think the podcast is available now wherever you get your podcast. So the thing that I left out at the intro is that, and I've said this before publicly and you've said it before and it's like reported, like, the way that you would approach the show daily was just, like, an unbelievable amount of work, you know, just in terms of sheer hours, and in effort, and in rewrites and revisions and making those A blocks, particularly, which they take a bunch of different producers and they're very long for --, Chris Hayes: -- cable news, which is part of the reason they don't get done at that length because, actually, it just --, Rachel Maddow: Means a lot of commercials in the back-half of the show because you can't put any in the first 25 minutes --, Chris Hayes: Right, but it also means, like --, Chris Hayes: -- constructing. Like yeah, what Huey Long is saying right there would work now. The impulses that seduce people to oppose it are there all the time. Rachel Maddow: Thanks for being so nice. Chris Hayes, Washington editor for the Nation, is sitting in for Rachel Maddow tonight. Chris Hayes: Yeah. Chris Hayes: With an actual, like, handler, like a Nazi handler --. Similarly, his birthplace is Norwood, Bronx. But he writes from an interesting perspective about the theology of Coughlin --, Rachel Maddow: -- and the sort of struggle in the church in terms of when they were going to pull the plug on him and why. And I don't buy that chummy, "Thank you, my friend" from Rachel; they rarely chat and you can just cut the tension. See or download fact-checks by FactCheck.org, PolitiFact, and The Washington Post's Fact Checker.The Nancy Pelosi Archive is one of several collections of TV news clips featuring public officials, with related fact-checks. They say, search it up, "Dad, can you search that up?" apartments in dallas that allow airbnb Uncovering hot babes since 1919. How are you going to take this very distinct, particular, you know, I think generational ability to tell stories in other fashions and forms and genres. You know what I mean? I think we're capable of it. There's some sort of conventions to some game or genre, whether it's artistic medium or it's a sport, you know, Michael Jordan, Picasso, Steve Jobs, like people that just do this thing that other people are doing. Rachel Maddow: I love that, but it takes a lot of work. And then there's just a person who comes along who's just better at it, just better at hitting baseballs and completely revolutionizes, like, what it is to be a hitter in Major League Baseball. Rachel Maddow: Let's take it beyond Ernest Lundeen. Chris Hayes: I told her she's going to hate that (ph), but it is true. And the great sedition trial in the end doesnt work for all sorts of amazing reasons, and he ends his career at the Justice Department. Nico Parker discusses Dumbo. Rachel Maddow: -- form fascist organizations even. Rachel Maddow: I mean, is that a story about the limitations to the critical law? I feel like that's part of it all getting scrubbed because it's like, oh, well, that was all before. SPECIAL TO THIS FEED: The January 6th hearings and corresponding analysis from Rachel Maddow and other MSNBC panelists beginning Thursday, June 9th. Theres other nuances but --, Chris Hayes: -- you know, I mean, Hitler literally led a mob against the seat of government --. I mean, I brought this for you as a present. Rachel Maddow: -- for a lot of the time that he was arguing this. Rachel Maddow: -- who's (ph) Trump's inaugural chairman, as (ph) being a secret foreign agent. Chris Hayes: OK. Once again, my great thanks to my dear friend and colleague, master of all media, Rachel Maddow. He transitioned from. And I have, I feel it emotionally, right, that like the criminal justice system should be able to sort this out and issue some definitive declaration about what is and isnt in bounds, what is and is not a transgression. They go absolutely crazy against the justice department, threaten the justice department, go to the attorney-general, tell him that you fired these prosecutors get rid of this thing, and they do. So there's a new podcast out. Maddow seeks to explain our complex world and deliver news in a way that's illuminating and dynamic, connecting the dots to make sense of complex issues. No one knows or even cares if Biden's story is true. Rachel Maddow: Rachel wrote a fiction podcast? He took months and months and months, and it was very, very dangerous work because of what he was doing. According to the Daily Beast, Maddow's new contract would allow her more. Chris Hayes: -- because I only had one, and that one was enough. As a bonus for "The Rachel Maddow Show" listeners, Rachel joins Chris Hayes on "Why Is This Happening? Oh, thats awesome. The 8 p.m. MSNBC show hosted by Chris Hayes averaged a 1.4 rating in June, down slightly from a 1.5 in May. Be sure to follow us on TikTok. Trump staffers scooping up little red swastika golf balls into Make America Great Again hats is the tableau of the campaign so far, Hayes said in 2016, Starnes noted. Up w/ Chris Hayes: Are we in an era of post-truth politics? Gotta to hang with my buddy today, he wrote. Rachel Maddow: And so I think, talking about Coughlin, I mean, his newspaper is called "Social Justice" --, Rachel Maddow: -- right? I brought you the whole thing. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. If You Liked All In with Chris Hayes. I was really interested in some of the sort of deep, radical right, ultra-right stuff that was happening in the country in the post-World War II era leading into the Reagan era. As threats to American democracy abound, theres more that has to be done to save it, said Maddow in our exclusive podcast interview. Rachel Maddow joins Chris Hayes to talk about her new podcast, how we can use history to make sense of current events, what it's like to be covering the news in this political moment. 42:33. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. And that means that the history of it, to the extent that there is any history of it, has been written by the right and by people who are sympathizers of the defendants --. She writes her first lady column about how shocked she is. Chris Hayes: I mean, not to get too, like, therapy here, but there is just this is like a prime insight of therapy, right, which is like, wherever you go, there you are. And the unhealthful thing about my new life is that I've lost one very healthy thing that I had, which was strict compartmentalization --, Rachel Maddow: -- which is between weekdays and weekends and --, Rachel Maddow: -- working and not working --, Chris Hayes: I say this to people all the time when they say, "Well, oh, God, it must be crazy when you go on vacation. Rachel Maddow: As his own, yes. But if you think about a sedition trial like sedition is trying to overthrow the government by force, if you succeeded in your seditious plot --. You know, are you the bishop who asked to decide what to do about Coughlin? Hosts on Today gave a vague answer to questions about the status of Hoda Kotb, whose last appearance on the show was Feb. 17. So when Doni, our producer who's here, you guys are very closely held with the details of this, which made sense. . Chris Hayes: And, yes, I think it's a really important thing that I've learned also, like if someone sends an e-mail or sends a note saying, like, the thing you said in the monologue this morning when you were just talking it through, like, isn't quite right, you kind of missed this. And in that opening statement from the prosecution in the Oath Keepers sedition trial, the prosecutor said, you know, A, they thought when they left the Capitol on January 6th that they had succeeded and that there would not be an electoral count certification --, Rachel Maddow: -- and that they were then plotting their next steps when they realized that Congress reconvened --. Chris Hayes is an American political commentator, journalist, podcaster, producer, and author who has a net worth of $6 million. Chris Hayes: Well, the thing I was going to say is its hard for good reasons, too, which gets this point of like what liberal democracy is and why we cherish it. I love that scientific part of it. If you're doing something in 90 seconds, it's like there's just a lot more room for error, right? Rachel Maddow: -- like dies of a heart ailment in her early '40s. In an interview with MSNBC colleague Rachel Maddow, Hayes said that people are increasingly realizing that January 6th, 2021 was actually a "very big thing." "It's just really hard to convict. Chris Hayes: That, like, a lot of times you come in, you're talking to a spouse or a friend or a therapist, and you're, like, talking about things in your life. MSNBC's Rachel Maddow's 9 p.m. show averaged a 2.3 rating, up from a 2.2, and . It's like, you could leave the job but, like, the you follows you. And I've got this good mix of things now instead of just having a supersized serving of one thing that is too much for me to handle. Its a real party. Chris Hayes: Who figures prominently in the podcast. Rachel Maddow: -- it turns out that you've never heard of this guy. And then they orchestrated using agent provocateur. 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